1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:03,600 Jacque Fresco - Dec. 19, 2010 "Relation to Academia" www.thevenusproject.com 2 00:00:03,969 --> 00:00:06,640 The American Psychological Association, 3 00:00:06,984 --> 00:00:12,290 people who deal with mental problems, stress, all that sort of thing, 4 00:00:13,452 --> 00:00:14,978 as far as I know 5 00:00:15,206 --> 00:00:20,060 have not written books on the effects of environment upon behavior 6 00:00:20,369 --> 00:00:24,060 and criticizing the way government operates. 7 00:00:24,363 --> 00:00:29,490 It's unsane, and I've never found them to talk about government that way. 8 00:00:29,846 --> 00:00:32,500 Maybe they'd lose appropriations if they did. 9 00:00:32,861 --> 00:00:35,280 But I don't know whether they're interested in appropriations 10 00:00:35,420 --> 00:00:37,692 or understanding human behavior. 11 00:00:38,550 --> 00:00:43,870 I know of no group of psychologists that advocated social change 12 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:49,489 in order to avoid most stresses and most of the problems that people have. 13 00:00:50,043 --> 00:00:53,960 I've never known neurologists that laid out a plan 14 00:00:54,283 --> 00:00:58,730 for informing people with better methods of evaluation, 15 00:00:59,064 --> 00:01:01,300 so that they don't have the stresses they have. 16 00:01:01,655 --> 00:01:05,780 Therefore, all their books seem to be maps of the brain 17 00:01:06,110 --> 00:01:09,880 and what region of the brain controls what pattern of behavior, 18 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:13,243 which is all right anatomically 19 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:18,455 but does not describe or alleviate problems. 20 00:01:18,812 --> 00:01:21,020 Knowing the anatomy of the brain will tell you 21 00:01:21,255 --> 00:01:25,480 that a tumor in a given location will cut out speech 22 00:01:25,889 --> 00:01:28,590 or visual; that's all good information. 23 00:01:28,904 --> 00:01:31,400 But that's not what The Venus Project is about. 24 00:01:31,704 --> 00:01:36,640 The Venus Project is about finding solutions or workable ways 25 00:01:36,978 --> 00:01:40,410 of influencing people to modify their behavior, 26 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:43,200 to fit the circumstances of the world, 27 00:01:43,316 --> 00:01:47,590 not the opinions, or reactions, or emotions of an individual. 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,861 So when a person says to me 29 00:01:51,335 --> 00:01:54,540 "Let's have input from the scientific community," 30 00:01:54,873 --> 00:01:56,970 the reason I don't go for that, 31 00:01:57,341 --> 00:01:59,870 because the scientific community never came up and said 32 00:02:00,215 --> 00:02:02,940 "Why go to the moon when the earth is falling apart? 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,180 Let's solve those problems first." 34 00:02:05,550 --> 00:02:10,050 They don't participate; they don't seem to suggest a direction. 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,243 They merely describe the anatomy of the brain, 36 00:02:13,353 --> 00:02:15,570 which is all right, I have nothing against it, 37 00:02:15,938 --> 00:02:17,660 but they have no direction. 38 00:02:18,024 --> 00:02:21,480 I've never known The American Association of Architects 39 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:23,950 to lay out a whole city system. 40 00:02:24,535 --> 00:02:26,410 They say the 'green' rooftop. 41 00:02:26,775 --> 00:02:31,600 Well, the greening of a building does not change society. 42 00:02:32,196 --> 00:02:37,860 So the reason I do not seek information from the academic world 43 00:02:38,289 --> 00:02:40,430 is because they don't take it far enough. 44 00:02:40,756 --> 00:02:44,450 They deal with limited aspects of human behavior 45 00:02:44,695 --> 00:02:47,640 and limited functions of the brain. 46 00:02:47,975 --> 00:02:52,940 They study the brain, I would imagine... Like I said before, 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,890 if I fly over a village of thatched huts 48 00:02:56,166 --> 00:02:58,600 which are up on stilts in water, 49 00:02:58,904 --> 00:03:02,810 I can tell you that the people probably live on fish, 50 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:05,580 and their values are related to the coconuts 51 00:03:05,883 --> 00:03:08,600 and the food available on the island 52 00:03:08,910 --> 00:03:12,070 and the problems they have with other islanders 53 00:03:12,410 --> 00:03:15,993 wanting to take their women or their food away from them. 54 00:03:16,227 --> 00:03:18,970 So their philosophy would be a simple one. 55 00:03:19,323 --> 00:03:21,500 It would not be high level communication. 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,070 So you don't need to go there and study the people. Just take a photograph. 57 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,313 A photograph of New York City, Chicago, LA, any city, 58 00:03:30,570 --> 00:03:34,806 shows every building a different size, which means every man for himself, 59 00:03:35,329 --> 00:03:38,210 which means it's a selfish, self-centered culture. 60 00:03:38,541 --> 00:03:41,880 I don't need to ask what people are like in Chicago. 61 00:03:42,196 --> 00:03:44,060 I know by looking at the city 62 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:47,378 and the fact that they tolerate what exists. 63 00:03:47,778 --> 00:03:49,590 I haven't heard school teachers 64 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,350 say "Let us make education relevant to the needs of people." 65 00:03:54,658 --> 00:03:58,550 I've never heard a descriptive system from universities 66 00:03:58,860 --> 00:04:01,963 or any elaborate organization. 67 00:04:02,504 --> 00:04:04,750 The democratic concept, for example, 68 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,913 where everybody participates and contributes, 69 00:04:08,570 --> 00:04:12,400 I believe they can only contribute that which they have learned from the culture. 70 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,987 And they can't be that different and be a member of a standard organization. 71 00:04:18,621 --> 00:04:22,280 Now if a person says "There are lots of aspects of The Venus Project 72 00:04:22,590 --> 00:04:24,326 that Jacque doesn't cover," 73 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:26,763 you haven't asked those questions. 74 00:04:28,190 --> 00:04:29,710 How do you know that? 75 00:04:30,295 --> 00:04:35,310 So you have to say "Andrew, what are his views on child nurturing?" 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,760 "What are his views on family? What are his views on education?" 77 00:04:40,061 --> 00:04:43,890 and get that down then compare it with the academic world. 78 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:48,307 You'll find that it's very different except the anatomy. 79 00:04:49,046 --> 00:04:54,260 When a doctor says this is the knee reflex, this is the temporal lobe, 80 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,061 he's right, frontal lobe, all that stuff, a map. 81 00:04:58,910 --> 00:05:02,553 There's nothing the matter with that, but it doesn't deal with any problems. 82 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,347 I find most architects self-centered, 83 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:11,883 designing buildings and being proud of what they design 84 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:16,436 and sharing rooftops of green, which is all right, 85 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,156 but that isn't the answer to the problems. 86 00:05:22,141 --> 00:05:26,160 So, I thought if the academic world had any validity, 87 00:05:26,490 --> 00:05:31,120 they'd be in confrontation with established views. 88 00:05:32,098 --> 00:05:35,750 I do not find that. So, I do not find ... 89 00:05:36,061 --> 00:05:40,790 Even B.F. Skinner did not go into the anatomy of a new culture, 90 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:44,640 how it works, what type of education for children. 91 00:05:45,790 --> 00:05:49,556 I asked Skinner whether he thought man was a machine, 92 00:05:50,406 --> 00:05:52,330 meaning reasonably connected. 93 00:05:52,627 --> 00:05:57,180 By machine I mean, you can't roll your eyes in a given position, 94 00:05:57,490 --> 00:05:59,501 unless there's a muscle that pulls it there. 95 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:01,667 That's what I mean by mechanistic. 96 00:06:02,123 --> 00:06:06,720 You can't see unless the visual system is supplied with light 97 00:06:07,052 --> 00:06:10,710 and the back of the brain is supplied with enough associations 98 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,501 to interpret the forms around them. 99 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,012 So, education comes from the environment 100 00:06:18,510 --> 00:06:22,701 and as you pointed out, all cultures are primitive 101 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:25,415 because they're in a state of evolution. 102 00:06:25,563 --> 00:06:27,370 Primitive compared to what? 103 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,860 Compared to what there IS to know about people, we are primitive. 104 00:06:32,455 --> 00:06:37,130 As long as we have prisons and military solutions, we are primitive. 105 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:42,196 I will never listen to military people for their solutions to problems 106 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:46,689 unless they have outgrown that and have come to new conclusions. 107 00:06:47,452 --> 00:06:51,520 Like General Westmoreland, if it was General Westmoreland, 108 00:06:51,796 --> 00:06:53,630 or Eisenhower when he said 109 00:06:53,944 --> 00:06:57,370 "Beware of the military-industrial complex." 110 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,313 I wish he elaborated more on that and spent more time on that. 111 00:07:03,610 --> 00:07:04,787 But he didn't. 112 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Apparently he felt by saying that, 113 00:07:07,907 --> 00:07:11,410 he would alert people to be conscious of that area. 114 00:07:11,747 --> 00:07:14,920 Judgments are based on cultural systems, 115 00:07:15,243 --> 00:07:17,600 otherwise no one would ever go to a movie 116 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:19,593 because it has nothing to offer. 117 00:07:20,129 --> 00:07:23,760 No one would watch soap operas, because it has nothing to offer. 118 00:07:24,030 --> 00:07:26,230 It's a repeat of the same story. 119 00:07:26,566 --> 00:07:29,470 Jealousy, our present-day concepts of love 120 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,547 and family are always uniform. 121 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:35,790 If they weren't, it would not become popular. 122 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:40,676 If a person's elected to be president by a group of Americans, 123 00:07:41,273 --> 00:07:43,050 they do not have the ability 124 00:07:43,378 --> 00:07:47,410 to judge a person's ability to manage society. 125 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:50,000 They do not have the kind of training 126 00:07:50,510 --> 00:07:53,160 to nominate the proper people for education. 127 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:55,126 Neither do the educators. 128 00:07:55,735 --> 00:07:57,840 But when you take a course in engineering, 129 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,147 as long as they deal with structures 130 00:08:00,436 --> 00:08:03,470 and torsional loads and compressional, it's okay. 131 00:08:04,406 --> 00:08:07,890 But how is it to be used? Engineers don't give a shit. 132 00:08:08,190 --> 00:08:11,286 If it's a fascist culture or a democratic culture, 133 00:08:11,495 --> 00:08:14,660 they make engineering projects for that culture. 134 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:19,590 Engineers do not collectively, as a rule, in numbers, 135 00:08:19,956 --> 00:08:24,700 step out of engineering and say "What is this for? How is it to be used?" 136 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,461 "I refuse to work on weapons of mass destruction. 137 00:08:28,966 --> 00:08:33,200 I'd rather work on studying the culture that we disagree with 138 00:08:33,538 --> 00:08:37,895 and see if we can find areas of agreement, not destruction." 139 00:08:38,603 --> 00:08:40,640 So I do not personally 140 00:08:40,984 --> 00:08:45,210 find evidence to align myself with scientists. 141 00:08:45,514 --> 00:08:47,034 I never met a scientist, 142 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,716 just like I said, I never met a Christian 143 00:08:50,350 --> 00:08:52,410 that upheld the Christian doctrine. 144 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:57,347 A scientist to me would be into sociology, anthropology, 145 00:08:57,950 --> 00:09:00,030 engineering to some extent, 146 00:09:00,436 --> 00:09:03,280 electronics to some extent, you know what I mean? 147 00:09:03,624 --> 00:09:06,781 To whatever extent they can be, they would be interested 148 00:09:07,064 --> 00:09:09,330 and say "I don't know enough about 149 00:09:09,673 --> 00:09:13,690 decision-making and different cultures to want to destroy them. 150 00:09:14,006 --> 00:09:16,061 I'd like to understand them before. 151 00:09:16,246 --> 00:09:18,172 I'd like to talk to their leaders." 152 00:09:18,695 --> 00:09:22,610 Even if he talked to the leaders, with an American value system 153 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,400 he could not hear them. Do you understand what I'm talking about? 154 00:09:26,756 --> 00:09:30,370 You can't talk things over if you speak a different language 155 00:09:30,650 --> 00:09:32,800 and have a different reaction to words. 156 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,980 If people do not understand The Venus Project ... 157 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:40,050 It isn't that Fresco likes to dictate the ways. 158 00:09:40,363 --> 00:09:45,200 I'd like to understand what they have to offer to alter society. 159 00:09:45,476 --> 00:09:48,640 I'm not interested in three views to an airplane 160 00:09:48,940 --> 00:09:53,218 unless I know what that plane is for. Do you understand what I'm saying? 161 00:09:53,944 --> 00:09:55,850 I hope this answers the question 162 00:09:56,153 --> 00:10:01,730 as why I do not usually join scientific committees, 163 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:04,640 because I do not find them to be scientific 164 00:10:05,150 --> 00:10:09,187 nor oriented to be able to handle the wide range of problems. 165 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,735 So I consider almost every society primitive, 166 00:10:14,166 --> 00:10:15,850 and if you disagree with me, 167 00:10:16,141 --> 00:10:19,000 what I'd like to do is put forth areas 168 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,295 that enable me to see the shortcomings. 169 00:10:25,580 --> 00:10:27,606 But don't say "I don't agree with him." 170 00:10:27,926 --> 00:10:32,680 Point out the area of disagreement or what you think you disagree with. 171 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:37,060 But without a conversation, without attending the tours, 172 00:10:37,335 --> 00:10:40,590 without sitting down and sharing ideas, 173 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,606 it'd be very difficult to know exactly how I mean certain words. 174 00:10:46,061 --> 00:10:47,860 There are many semantic problems 175 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,021 that can be resolved with a personal meeting. 176 00:10:52,486 --> 00:10:56,220 I don't know how to resolve problems with scientists in general 177 00:10:57,507 --> 00:11:01,790 unless I meet with them as individuals for a given amount of time. 178 00:11:02,130 --> 00:11:06,067 I can't give a guy in 20 minutes what I believe, 179 00:11:06,670 --> 00:11:08,252 even if he's a scientist. 180 00:11:08,547 --> 00:11:12,260 There are some scientists that will take to this right away, I know that. 181 00:11:12,492 --> 00:11:15,890 Because they're looking for answers and they don't have the tools. 182 00:11:18,252 --> 00:11:22,860 I've met many scientists, but I've only had brief encounters with them, 183 00:11:23,193 --> 00:11:25,180 like 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 184 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,156 but never a long period of exchange of ideas 185 00:11:29,723 --> 00:11:30,760 so far. 186 00:11:31,526 --> 00:11:35,970 This is the reason I do not seek answers from the academic world. 187 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,800 If they are academic it means they accept, 188 00:11:40,010 --> 00:11:43,920 or they accept to a large portion, what goes on. 189 00:11:44,830 --> 00:11:46,018 That's my reason. 190 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:50,701 What has to be done is people should investigate 191 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,089 the educational system of The Venus Project, what it offers. 192 00:11:57,570 --> 00:12:02,560 They must then look into the environmental aspects of The Venus Project: 193 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:07,458 how we intend to support and restore the damaged environment. 194 00:12:08,090 --> 00:12:12,233 Then, what different types of vehicles would be used for transportation, 195 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:15,700 how WE solve the transportation problems. 196 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,221 If they find shortcomings in it, say 197 00:12:18,750 --> 00:12:21,310 "Present your recommendations." 198 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,547 But don't say "I don't like that system." 199 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:27,944 Present your recommendations or alternatives. 200 00:12:28,780 --> 00:12:33,556 If you want people to be safe in swimming, safe from sharks ... 201 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,550 You really don't have to make a swimming pool any deeper than 5 feet. 202 00:12:38,690 --> 00:12:41,630 You can swim in 5 feet of water; it's hard to drown. 203 00:12:41,740 --> 00:12:43,772 If you can't make it, you can reach bottom. 204 00:12:44,090 --> 00:12:47,901 And children's pools would be shallow, and you can swim in them, 205 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:53,230 you can't drown in them. It isn't that I like shallow pools. 206 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:56,221 If children have difficulty, you can't always see it. 207 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,698 I think our friend's child was drowned 208 00:13:00,190 --> 00:13:03,341 because mother couldn't watch over her in the ocean. 209 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,520 And she blamed the old man, the old man blamed the mother for not watching, 210 00:13:08,660 --> 00:13:10,720 and then they both blamed the lifeguard. 211 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:14,904 You know, it's inadequate systems is what you're dealing with. 212 00:13:16,270 --> 00:13:20,560 Do you understand? I don't find lifeguards who submit new ways 213 00:13:20,860 --> 00:13:24,787 of watching over people on the beach. They're always a lifeguard. 214 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:30,080 They never seem to innovate, or make a life preserver connected to a cable 215 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:32,270 that goes out to the drowning person. 216 00:13:32,410 --> 00:13:35,033 That's what they need, not the lifeguard grabbing them. 217 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:37,750 They need the thing getting there faster. 218 00:13:37,890 --> 00:13:40,500 The lifeguard can only get there at a certain speed. 219 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,280 So I would design a life raft that moves out very fast, 220 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:46,590 stops by proximity mechanisms, 221 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:50,135 and then moves slowly toward the person so they can grab it. 222 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:56,344 And if they can't grab it, you send human assistance on a vehicle out that way. 223 00:13:57,010 --> 00:14:01,040 Anyway, I've never heard of lifeguard associations 224 00:14:01,180 --> 00:14:06,800 making recommendations, except binoculars for the lifeguard to look around, 225 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,667 but limited, very limited. 226 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:12,516 Lifeguards are not trained as innovators. 227 00:14:12,980 --> 00:14:15,620 But if you bring innovators to the system and say 228 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,726 "How can you innovate that system to make it more efficient?" 229 00:14:19,210 --> 00:14:24,867 If a man is mechanical, he might make a life preserver connected to a cable. 230 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:28,070 If he's into electronics, 231 00:14:28,210 --> 00:14:30,221 he would pick up distress in the water. 232 00:14:30,461 --> 00:14:32,086 You know, whatever it is. 233 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:38,030 But I don't find academia to be critical of a political system. 234 00:14:38,170 --> 00:14:43,858 I don't find many opinions coming forth on how to modify our system 235 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,870 so that we have less problems. I don't find that. 236 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:50,104 Now in books on politics, 237 00:14:50,610 --> 00:14:53,560 I don't think George Washington would be surprised 238 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:55,780 at the decision-making today, 239 00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:57,581 because it's not that different. 240 00:14:59,083 --> 00:15:01,292 Benjamin Franklin or anybody else. 241 00:15:01,470 --> 00:15:04,713 Our political system is based on opinions, 242 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:10,313 projections, inadequacies, incompetence. 243 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:15,120 That's why I say they would feel at home in this society. 244 00:15:15,490 --> 00:15:18,400 But they would not feel at home in The Venus Project. 245 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:22,018 No politician would know how decisions are made. 246 00:15:22,380 --> 00:15:25,310 They wouldn't understand why our schools are the way they are. 247 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:28,916 They wouldn't! Even if they came and visited the schools 248 00:15:29,310 --> 00:15:30,830 they wouldn't understand. 249 00:15:31,490 --> 00:15:32,756 They wouldn't understand 250 00:15:33,130 --> 00:15:36,676 the nature of environmental reclamation, why it's done. 251 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,920 And they wouldn't understand where you get the money 252 00:15:40,030 --> 00:15:42,110 to do environmental reclamations. 253 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,550 If the Earth is declared common heritage, 254 00:15:44,670 --> 00:15:47,760 that's the only way you can have access to anything. 255 00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:52,130 I can't understand, if you have based all your decisions on 256 00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:55,335 "How much will it cost?" well you wouldn't do anything, 257 00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:58,550 because everything costs a lot of money, except war - 258 00:15:58,670 --> 00:16:00,209 it MAKES a lot of money. 259 00:16:01,510 --> 00:16:04,550 It isn't that I want to direct the whole thing. 260 00:16:04,676 --> 00:16:07,470 I haven't gotten assistance from others 261 00:16:07,610 --> 00:16:11,753 on how to put up buildings faster that were that new. 262 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:17,560 So I had to innovate all this shit, because I didn't get anything from others. 263 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,020 I'm not interested in doing all that. 264 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,640 I'd rather have people capable of knowing when they see a ship, 265 00:16:24,780 --> 00:16:29,360 what is it you want? You want the whole cargo unloaded at a given place. 266 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:32,603 You don't want to take off one container at a time. 267 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:36,730 That's okay if different containers go different places, 268 00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:40,240 and we've got one ship. But in the future, you must design 269 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:43,270 automobile manufacturing in a certain region, 270 00:16:43,410 --> 00:16:47,304 so you deliver metals to that region, not all over Detroit 271 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,190 or wherever you have auto factories. 272 00:16:50,730 --> 00:16:53,415 You have automotive production in a given region. 273 00:16:53,809 --> 00:16:56,000 You know what I mean? With production lines. 274 00:16:56,210 --> 00:17:01,033 So you deliver more stuff, the same kind of stuff, to all the auto producers. 275 00:17:01,470 --> 00:17:06,730 Cows and farming would be in a region with farming canning factories nearby 276 00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:11,261 the farm and not 50 miles away. Do you understand what I'm saying? 277 00:17:11,690 --> 00:17:15,730 I don't know any other system. I've never heard of a food producer 278 00:17:15,870 --> 00:17:18,860 that said "I'm going to open a cannery on my grounds 279 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,849 so I can can the string beans." 280 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:24,615 And besides they wouldn't rot if they did that right away. 281 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,940 I never heard of an undertaker making recommendations 282 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,901 for the use of usable organs before the burial. 283 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:38,966 A kidney, whatever it is you could get. 284 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,615 And you don't ask people whether they want to give their kidney if they're dead. 285 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,809 If they're dead they say "I wanna be buried whole." 286 00:17:46,184 --> 00:17:48,190 The Jews do not permit dissection. 287 00:17:50,340 --> 00:17:54,615 But the Jews won't ever know what the inside of the body is like 288 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:58,461 if they don't permit dissection. You know what I mean? 289 00:17:58,850 --> 00:18:02,036 But people will die due to their belief systems. 290 00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:07,840 But, if you wanna go with that belief system, you can go, 291 00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:11,686 but I can assure you, you won't live as long as other systems. 292 00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:15,716 And if our system can't make the appropriate decisions 293 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,840 we'll be surpassed by China or North Korea, 294 00:18:18,980 --> 00:18:21,950 or some other country that can make those decisions. 295 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,926 I don't say they will, 296 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:28,640 but we will be surpassed if we can't make the appropriate decisions. 297 00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:33,132 So nature is a final eliminator, not Fresco. 298 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:35,255 I don't eliminate people. 299 00:18:35,550 --> 00:18:39,236 If their insufficiency is "every man for himself" 300 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:44,246 then that society will run as long as evolution will permit it to run, 301 00:18:45,420 --> 00:18:49,556 until the system is automated and they fall on their face. 302 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:53,310 That doesn't mean social change will be made. 303 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:57,700 It means people might die fighting each other and killing each other 304 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,750 and riots because of different values, 305 00:19:01,260 --> 00:19:05,144 unless there's something put out there that people can understand. 306 00:19:05,820 --> 00:19:11,224 I think I could sell the package, if not [to] all the people, a great many people, 307 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:15,780 enough to influence them. Because I don't come there as an American, 308 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,563 to get them to accept our value system as the only one. 309 00:19:20,350 --> 00:19:22,129 And you don't attack their customs. 310 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,538 You wait till evolution passes the need for customs of that kind. 311 00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:31,723 There are a group of Israelis that are interested in The Venus Project. 312 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:35,160 But if I went to Israel I'd be booed off the platform. 313 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,144 The majority does not believe, 314 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:39,427 does not lean towards science. 315 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:45,120 I would try if I were invited, don't misunderstand me. 316 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,880 If there were a big enough group in Israel 317 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:50,049 I would go there and talk to that group 318 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,975 and tell them how to reach the other group. If I talk to the other group, 319 00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:57,643 I need three days, not a one-hour lecture. 320 00:19:58,790 --> 00:20:02,732 I never came up with ideas because academicians approved them. 321 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:06,664 I came up with them trying to find a working solution. 322 00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:10,147 Academia doesn't know how to stop wars. 323 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:14,150 Academia doesn't know how to ask "What is the bomber for?" 324 00:20:14,290 --> 00:20:17,883 They don't seem to do that. That's why I don't respect them. 325 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,310 If they understand my direction, that's more important 326 00:20:21,780 --> 00:20:23,630 than being a member of academia. 327 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:26,510 And people would say to me 328 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,803 "Are there any great people that accept The Venus Project?" 329 00:20:30,180 --> 00:20:33,507 There's something the matter with them, they have a low self-sufficiency. 330 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,089 If a great man says "It's a good idea," they'll follow it. 331 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:41,126 I don't want that kind of shit. Do you understand? 332 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:44,670 If you say "Are there any famous people that accept The Venus Project?" 333 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,289 Not that I know of. 334 00:20:48,540 --> 00:20:54,130 But you would then go along because Einstein said it was okay. What about you? 335 00:20:54,270 --> 00:20:57,236 If you understand what I'm talking about, you say it's okay, 336 00:20:57,384 --> 00:20:59,510 even though the world doesn't agree with you. 337 00:21:00,250 --> 00:21:04,090 The guys in the old days that believed the Earth was round must have had a very 338 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:06,870 rough time with academia. 339 00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:09,095 I think it was academia that burnt them. 340 00:21:09,610 --> 00:21:12,461 It's academia today that can cut you off, 341 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:17,667 that can say "The man is completely unqualified, never went to MIT, 342 00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:22,050 has no record of achievement in this world." This is all true, 343 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:23,969 but that doesn't mean anything. 344 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:27,095 What means something is if people understand 345 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:30,258 that if you don't take care of the environment, you lose it. 346 00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:34,490 That isn't difficult. But it may be: 347 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:36,775 "I guess the experts know what they're doing. 348 00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:41,267 Let's leave it to politicians. At least they know what they're doing." 349 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:43,993 I don't believe they even know what they're doing. 350 00:21:44,490 --> 00:21:47,741 I don't believe they have the slightest idea of what they're doing. 351 00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:52,689 I believe there are academicians that believe one opinion is as good as another. 352 00:21:54,770 --> 00:21:57,396 How many Catholics visit a Lutheran 353 00:21:57,530 --> 00:22:00,713 or Presbyterian church to get their point of view? 354 00:22:01,180 --> 00:22:05,450 To go feel which one is closest? Some do, I don't doubt that. 355 00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:08,603 There are many religious people that go to different churches 356 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,556 and stop at the one nearest to their values. 357 00:22:12,130 --> 00:22:13,538 That's what all people do. 358 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:19,261 And if they all pick primitive things, your culture needs an overhaul. 359 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,880 If we still go to war, you know... 360 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,572 I think in the motion picture 'Things To Come' 361 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:31,021 somebody said to Dr. Cabal, or the guy in charge, 362 00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:34,080 that they're at war. He said "Still at it, eh?" 363 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:37,544 There were some comments 364 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:41,741 which normal people did not react to in the film, at all. 365 00:22:44,370 --> 00:22:47,766 They couldn't react to it. They had no background to react to it. 366 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:50,689 They found a bunch of scientists running things 367 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:52,627 and it just didn't look right. 368 00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:55,200 It looked [like] the answer was-... 369 00:22:55,340 --> 00:22:58,578 H.G. Wells' friend said "It sounds like fascism." 370 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:02,498 Now this system would sound like fascism because Fresco 371 00:23:02,790 --> 00:23:06,270 lays out the schools, the buildings, the cities, 372 00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:09,415 only because not enough people are into that yet. 373 00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:14,270 But there will be more people laying it out as they get into it. 374 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:19,796 Edison taught people how to use the electric light, how to build generators. 375 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,553 Or people that made generators for Edison, taught people to make generators. 376 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:27,940 But the average person did not get up and say 377 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,923 "I don't want any generators, they're not God given." 378 00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:34,793 There were some people that said that, that never used generators. 379 00:23:35,070 --> 00:23:36,209 They're out of business. 380 00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:41,089 So, presenting ideas is not the answer. 381 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:43,530 Preparing people's attitude 382 00:23:43,670 --> 00:23:47,670 to be able to hear new ideas, so when they listen to you they say 383 00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:50,947 "I don't know enough about the subject to make a decision. 384 00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:54,990 I think I'm going back and read up on it and come back next week." 385 00:23:55,790 --> 00:23:57,310 Very few people do that. 386 00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:02,529 Sure you'll find evidence among some academicians 387 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:06,480 to support some of the concepts, but not enough. 388 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,446 I hate to use academicians, because they climb up on the back of innovators. 389 00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:19,910 But I do understand reliance on academicians to help support the project. 390 00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:22,000 But that isn't real. 391 00:24:23,010 --> 00:24:25,667 I think people had to learn from the Wright Brothers 392 00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:27,852 how to build airplanes. 393 00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:31,692 After they built the first flying machine, the Army said-... 394 00:24:32,627 --> 00:24:35,350 The Army was the first to order five airplanes 395 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:38,055 from the Wright Brothers, for surveillance. 396 00:24:38,790 --> 00:24:42,196 They thought that a war tank is better for shooting. 397 00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:45,212 Airplanes could only carry, they used to carry a rifle. 398 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,600 Before that they threw bottles and stones at one another in the air. 399 00:24:49,740 --> 00:24:51,944 Did you know that? in the old days? 400 00:24:53,187 --> 00:24:56,873 Because airplanes couldn't carry a cannon, it could only carry a rifle. 401 00:24:57,150 --> 00:25:00,627 The guy would stand up from cover, and try to shoot the other plane down. 402 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:05,130 And then they had a gun way above the wing 403 00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:07,101 so that it would clear the propeller. 404 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,860 Then somebody invented a synchronous machine gun 405 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,055 that shoots between the rotation of the blades. 406 00:25:14,923 --> 00:25:16,978 Do you know what I'm talking about? You don't? 407 00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:19,150 There's a bump on the camshaft. 408 00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:22,449 You know what that means? The camshaft turns the propeller 409 00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:28,320 and that bump operates the machine gun ... between where the blade is. 410 00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:32,467 Otherwise they shot off the propeller. Do you understand that? 411 00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:37,330 So, it's the invention of the machine gun at the pilot's eye view 412 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:40,080 that enabled him to shoot down more planes. 413 00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:45,403 When the guns are on top, it's only an approximation. Do you understand? 414 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,910 They were on the top wing, above the height of the propeller 415 00:25:49,870 --> 00:25:53,741 or out on the wings, which didn't give you a good view. 416 00:25:56,110 --> 00:26:01,470 So, invention compensates for human insufficiency. 417 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:08,412 But we have a lot of inventors making things that are useless too. 418 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:13,120 A house should be a public library, a school, 419 00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:16,990 intercommunications systems, not just a home! 420 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,780 With the laptop, the house is becoming more 421 00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:23,003 than just a place to sleep and eat. 422 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,680 In the future it'll be a place with your built-in gym 423 00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:28,898 and everything else, if you can afford it. 424 00:26:29,410 --> 00:26:31,803 Or, if society can make a house-... 425 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,953 The better integrated people are and interconnected, the richer society. 426 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,963 People say "Would everybody be uniform?" 427 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,516 If they were technically uniform it would be useful. 428 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,587 Non-technically it would not be useful. 429 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:49,612 There's nothing the matter with uniformity. 430 00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:52,726 All architects and all engineers 431 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,560 have to pass a standard exam, which is okay 432 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,036 for competence, you know. 433 00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:03,210 But if you know of technicians that advocate 434 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,129 aspects of The Venus Project, great! 435 00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:08,990 Technicians eventually will do that. 436 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,240 But remember, they bring with them some of the primordial slime. 437 00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:17,292 Because they don't come from an environment 438 00:27:17,650 --> 00:27:21,095 that's objective or scientific, yet. 439 00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:26,781 The scientific world is in the early phases of the scientific method. 440 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,855 Academia is not The Venus Project. 441 00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:35,833 Nor is it science as it's used today. 442 00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:39,846 They wouldn't work on bombers if they were part of The Venus Project. 443 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:43,876 They wouldn't work on weapons. They wouldn't be patriotic 444 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,540 if there was such a thing as a science. 445 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,550 I'm sure there are. I'm sure they're having a tough time too. 446 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,710 I'm sure that some scientists must come to some conclusion similar 447 00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:59,833 but not all joined together. 448 00:28:01,150 --> 00:28:05,495 It's very rare for someone to have this identical environment I had. 449 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,900 Very rare. No, they don't come to the same conclusion. 450 00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:13,532 They believe- most scientists believe in free will. 451 00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:17,704 I asked them. Don't forget, I met a lot of scientists. 452 00:28:18,770 --> 00:28:20,756 "Do you believe in free will?" "Of course... 453 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:24,572 I scored high in my school." 454 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,907 And that means something else. It means they have a different environment 455 00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:32,227 but they don't look at it objectively. 456 00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:34,707 They feel they're achievers. 457 00:28:35,353 --> 00:28:39,033 If they get a Nobel Prize, they feel good about it 458 00:28:39,458 --> 00:28:42,080 rather than share it with other labs. 459 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,738 They don't have a scientific attitude yet. 460 00:28:47,766 --> 00:28:49,316 It isn't here yet. 461 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,267 And if somebody advocates it, then you build a following. 462 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:56,010 And the following does not give 463 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,310 an interpretation of Darwin's Theory of Evolution. 464 00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:03,530 There are people that do that too, [they] say "There's no evidence." 465 00:29:03,670 --> 00:29:06,732 There's lots of evidence. They don't know what evidence means. 466 00:29:08,258 --> 00:29:10,270 The evidence is that the trees 467 00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:13,280 of a million years ago were different than the trees today. 468 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,003 They evolve, they change, not necessarily for the better. 469 00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:22,221 There were poisonous snakes, I'm sure, at the time of dinosaurs. 470 00:29:22,580 --> 00:29:26,086 I'm sure they were different than the snakes of today. 471 00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:29,846 But all animals seem to undergo change 472 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:33,526 according to digging into the ground. 473 00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:38,030 I don't think the people will study too much of the past 474 00:29:38,170 --> 00:29:43,230 except that nations took over other nations, took their wares. 475 00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:46,516 But no speeches by Patrick Henry or anybody else 476 00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:49,470 because they couldn't say anything relevant. 477 00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:54,923 I don't listen to most political speeches because they don't say anything. 478 00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:59,070 They rarely say "We can improve automotive production 479 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,732 by sharing ideas with different companies." They don't say that. 480 00:30:07,950 --> 00:30:12,840 I don't find enough evidence to identify with peer groups. 481 00:30:14,836 --> 00:30:16,510 I'm not saying they don't exist. 482 00:30:16,650 --> 00:30:19,686 I'm sure there are people out there in the scientific world 483 00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:21,341 that would jump onto this. 484 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:27,120 But some scientists may say "Have you heard about The Venus Project?" 485 00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:29,335 - "Oh, that guy is self-made. 486 00:30:31,027 --> 00:30:33,163 Never heard of him making any contributions." 487 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,123 You know, they might do that. I don't know what they do, 488 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,600 but I can't concern myself with what they do. 489 00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:43,040 So here am I proposing something: 490 00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:47,900 I wish that a lot of doctors at the same time said "Wash your hands." 491 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,073 It was only one guy. And they said "What's your basis for that?" 492 00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:55,144 They didn't all have microscopes in the old days. 493 00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:57,815 So he showed them germs on the skin. 494 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:01,593 That was when the real change came, with the microscope. 495 00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:06,424 But, there were people that even said 496 00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:10,461 "Well how do you know they cause disease?" They were always present 497 00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:13,378 when a person had eruptions on the skin, 498 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,980 that type of bacteria. When they had visual problems 499 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600 and they found bacteria that was responsible 500 00:31:20,713 --> 00:31:24,080 they always found similar bacteria on the eyes, 501 00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:28,840 on the hands, on the genitals. Sexually transmitted bacteria 502 00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:31,581 were the same. Do you understand what I mean? 503 00:31:32,050 --> 00:31:34,150 But it wasn't until the microscope 504 00:31:34,344 --> 00:31:37,250 that uniform agreement could be established. 505 00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:39,624 It could not be established by debate. 506 00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:44,664 No matter how. Unless the doctor was very important 507 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:50,086 most doctors listened to the established leader of a system. 508 00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:53,046 We have no established leaders. 509 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,710 All I'd like to do is get the ball rolling, take it from there. 510 00:31:58,050 --> 00:32:03,040 But before I get the ball rolling, I want to get the ideas out on education, 511 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,393 on learning theory, on how the brain is influenced by environment. 512 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,129 If I can get that out 513 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:17,107 it's a good safety measure to control values, moreso. 514 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,501 I'd like to get "I don't know" out there too, moreso. 515 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,930 "I don't know. I don't know enough about it 516 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,756 to make a decision." 517 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,973 www.thevenusproject.com 518 00:32:32,741 --> 00:32:35,800 Subscribe - Like - Friend - Fav - Thanks!